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		<title>By: Phitom</title>
		<link>http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/guilds-paying-for-server-transfers-good-news-or-bad-news/#comment-3355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phitom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 07:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yeah that&#039;s true. But the way some people play its like having a second job as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yeah that&#8217;s true. But the way some people play its like having a second job as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 02:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not what I meant. It&#039;s that being paid to play for a guild kind of kills the fun because it becomes more like work than a hobby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not what I meant. It&#8217;s that being paid to play for a guild kind of kills the fun because it becomes more like work than a hobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Phitom</title>
		<link>http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/guilds-paying-for-server-transfers-good-news-or-bad-news/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phitom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 23:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WoW is a cheap hobby though if you compare it to another TCG game or building models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WoW is a cheap hobby though if you compare it to another TCG game or building models.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
		<link>http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/guilds-paying-for-server-transfers-good-news-or-bad-news/#comment-3346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My character is already on your server silly ;D And I&#039;m not taking her anywhere. Your uber late raid times will be lovely once I&#039;m in Alberta, but even if they change, you guys will be my horde guild as long as you can put up with me. 

Having a money back if success system is interesting. It still doesn&#039;t feel right to me though. A bit like Cynwise was saying, WoW is a hobby. As soon as real life money gets involved, the feeling changes and it&#039;s not quite a game anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My character is already on your server silly ;D And I&#8217;m not taking her anywhere. Your uber late raid times will be lovely once I&#8217;m in Alberta, but even if they change, you guys will be my horde guild as long as you can put up with me. </p>
<p>Having a money back if success system is interesting. It still doesn&#8217;t feel right to me though. A bit like Cynwise was saying, WoW is a hobby. As soon as real life money gets involved, the feeling changes and it&#8217;s not quite a game anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Phitom</title>
		<link>http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/guilds-paying-for-server-transfers-good-news-or-bad-news/#comment-3343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phitom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 06:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, as far as you moving to a different timezone we do raid 11pm to 3 am friday and saturday nights EST. Only downside is that we are all poor and cant afford paying for you. :P

On a side note the whole its not my money thing does come into play a lot with guilds like this. I could see a compromise maybe like you stay for a while and the guild will refund half or more of your money. Yeah it sucks that you have to pay the full cost up front but if you prove to be a reliable raider then you can get some or all of your money back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as far as you moving to a different timezone we do raid 11pm to 3 am friday and saturday nights EST. Only downside is that we are all poor and cant afford paying for you. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On a side note the whole its not my money thing does come into play a lot with guilds like this. I could see a compromise maybe like you stay for a while and the guild will refund half or more of your money. Yeah it sucks that you have to pay the full cost up front but if you prove to be a reliable raider then you can get some or all of your money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidyala</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vidyala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure if they are desperate or rich (or both), but it&#039;s definitely heartening to read that the majority of people commenting here wouldn&#039;t accept in any case. I think the kinds of players I&#039;m looking for aren&#039;t looking for a free ride - either monetary or guild-wise, and their actions speak accordingly. 

Maybe this has always gone on and I am only recently becoming aware of it! I just hadn&#039;t seen it on the forums before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if they are desperate or rich (or both), but it&#8217;s definitely heartening to read that the majority of people commenting here wouldn&#8217;t accept in any case. I think the kinds of players I&#8217;m looking for aren&#8217;t looking for a free ride &#8211; either monetary or guild-wise, and their actions speak accordingly. </p>
<p>Maybe this has always gone on and I am only recently becoming aware of it! I just hadn&#8217;t seen it on the forums before.</p>
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		<title>By: Stubborn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stubborn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 19:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I thought I was hot stuff, I could see me asking for someone to pay for a transfer.  However, since I don&#039;t (and can&#039;t imagine I ever would), I totally agree that I wouldn&#039;t want a new guild to start out a relationship with me being in their debt.  First, either you stay with that guild long enough to make it worth their real world cash or, basicall, you&#039;re a jerk.  Second, if you&#039;re indebted, they may be more likely to ask extra of you, above and beyond what you were expecting in the new guild.

I&#039;ve always thought the &quot;signing bonus&quot; idea seemed like a bad way to get someone into your company/guild/whatever.  If they have to be bribed, are they really that interested?  And how desperate does that make your organization look?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I thought I was hot stuff, I could see me asking for someone to pay for a transfer.  However, since I don&#8217;t (and can&#8217;t imagine I ever would), I totally agree that I wouldn&#8217;t want a new guild to start out a relationship with me being in their debt.  First, either you stay with that guild long enough to make it worth their real world cash or, basicall, you&#8217;re a jerk.  Second, if you&#8217;re indebted, they may be more likely to ask extra of you, above and beyond what you were expecting in the new guild.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought the &#8220;signing bonus&#8221; idea seemed like a bad way to get someone into your company/guild/whatever.  If they have to be bribed, are they really that interested?  And how desperate does that make your organization look?</p>
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		<title>By: TheGrumpyElf</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 13:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would never let anyone pay for me. 

However, if someone offered to pay for me, it would make me think they are serious about giving me a prime spot.  Why else would they pay 25 bucks to get me there?

So I can see a guild willing to pay being a guild that is serious and has done their research about me enough to be willing to invest in my services.

I would then pay my own way.

Same goes the other way for me.  If I where in a top end guild (not even close) and I offered to pay for someone to transfer and they accepted, I would then decline them.

My reasoning would be they are just looking for a free transfer.  Any serious gamer would pay their own way for a chance at a guild where they are guaranteed a spot and some serious progression.  At least in my opinion.


The whole paying for the trip back thing is a non issue.  You where paid to come over and help.  If you need to go back, that means you did not help.  Why should they pay for your way back, you already made them waste money getting you there for nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never let anyone pay for me. </p>
<p>However, if someone offered to pay for me, it would make me think they are serious about giving me a prime spot.  Why else would they pay 25 bucks to get me there?</p>
<p>So I can see a guild willing to pay being a guild that is serious and has done their research about me enough to be willing to invest in my services.</p>
<p>I would then pay my own way.</p>
<p>Same goes the other way for me.  If I where in a top end guild (not even close) and I offered to pay for someone to transfer and they accepted, I would then decline them.</p>
<p>My reasoning would be they are just looking for a free transfer.  Any serious gamer would pay their own way for a chance at a guild where they are guaranteed a spot and some serious progression.  At least in my opinion.</p>
<p>The whole paying for the trip back thing is a non issue.  You where paid to come over and help.  If you need to go back, that means you did not help.  Why should they pay for your way back, you already made them waste money getting you there for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Oestrus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oestrus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 13:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, I worry about the opposite end of things and people taking the &quot;It&#039;s not my money, so what do I care&quot; approach.

Coming from someone who has done a lot of guild hopping in her day (and hopes to not have to do that anymore), I felt more inclined to perform and be good at what I do, because it was MY money that I was having to shell out each time I transferred/joined a new guild.  I also knew that if things didn&#039;t work out, it was MY money that was going to be spent to leave the situation and find a new home.  That motivated me to give it my all.

It&#039;s sort of like kids who are spoiled and come to not appreciate anything they have, because they didn&#039;t pay for it.  If you are were the kid who had to do chores and earn an allowance and pay for your own toys/games, you would be so careful with those toys that you would make SURE they did not break or get left behind.  The child who had everything paid for them would probably be more careless with the toy/game and probably wouldn&#039;t even bat an eyelash if they broke it or would move on to another form of amusement more quickly.  

Do you see what I mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I worry about the opposite end of things and people taking the &#8220;It&#8217;s not my money, so what do I care&#8221; approach.</p>
<p>Coming from someone who has done a lot of guild hopping in her day (and hopes to not have to do that anymore), I felt more inclined to perform and be good at what I do, because it was MY money that I was having to shell out each time I transferred/joined a new guild.  I also knew that if things didn&#8217;t work out, it was MY money that was going to be spent to leave the situation and find a new home.  That motivated me to give it my all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of like kids who are spoiled and come to not appreciate anything they have, because they didn&#8217;t pay for it.  If you are were the kid who had to do chores and earn an allowance and pay for your own toys/games, you would be so careful with those toys that you would make SURE they did not break or get left behind.  The child who had everything paid for them would probably be more careless with the toy/game and probably wouldn&#8217;t even bat an eyelash if they broke it or would move on to another form of amusement more quickly.  </p>
<p>Do you see what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Zinn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zinn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 10:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to that. I wouldn&#039;t do it because somehow I would feel obliged to stick with them, if you know what I mean. I&#039;d feel totally bad if they paid my transfer, turn out to not be my kind of guild and I leave. I could always repay them, but the hassle... And also, I could imagine not feeling like I&#039;m any other guy in the guild because somehow I&#039;d always be &quot;the dude we paid to get here&quot;, so I&#039;m special. And not nececssarily in a good way. On the other hand, I wouldn&#039;t be very happy if I paid my own transfer, found out I didn&#039;t like the guild and felt I had wasted the money ;S]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that. I wouldn&#8217;t do it because somehow I would feel obliged to stick with them, if you know what I mean. I&#8217;d feel totally bad if they paid my transfer, turn out to not be my kind of guild and I leave. I could always repay them, but the hassle&#8230; And also, I could imagine not feeling like I&#8217;m any other guy in the guild because somehow I&#8217;d always be &#8220;the dude we paid to get here&#8221;, so I&#8217;m special. And not nececssarily in a good way. On the other hand, I wouldn&#8217;t be very happy if I paid my own transfer, found out I didn&#8217;t like the guild and felt I had wasted the money ;S</p>
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