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		<title>By: Megacode</title>
		<link>http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/obtaining-and-using-the-title-gamer/#comment-4895</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Ophelie. It&#039;s funny, but the idea of gamer vs nongamer has crossed my mind from time to time and you wrote it all out into a great post to read :) What I&#039;ve wondered, is the term gamer only in the mmo world or does it expand over to console games also. I&#039;ve been playing games since I was like 5 years old from Ball Pong to Xbox 360 however I never heard nor considered the term gamer until I started playing WoW. I really don&#039;t know what to think of the term &quot;Gamer&quot;, part of it sounds cool and part of it sounds elitist. It seems lately that people use that term for themselves while pounding their chest, sort of like those so called &quot;Jocks&quot;. I do know that I&#039;m a guy who loves playing video games and making friends within the community. Do I consider myself a gamer, perhaps, but I&#039;m also a husband and father of two little &quot;future gamers&quot;!! Thanks for the write up, gets you really thinking :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ophelie. It&#8217;s funny, but the idea of gamer vs nongamer has crossed my mind from time to time and you wrote it all out into a great post to read <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What I&#8217;ve wondered, is the term gamer only in the mmo world or does it expand over to console games also. I&#8217;ve been playing games since I was like 5 years old from Ball Pong to Xbox 360 however I never heard nor considered the term gamer until I started playing WoW. I really don&#8217;t know what to think of the term &#8220;Gamer&#8221;, part of it sounds cool and part of it sounds elitist. It seems lately that people use that term for themselves while pounding their chest, sort of like those so called &#8220;Jocks&#8221;. I do know that I&#8217;m a guy who loves playing video games and making friends within the community. Do I consider myself a gamer, perhaps, but I&#8217;m also a husband and father of two little &#8220;future gamers&#8221;!! Thanks for the write up, gets you really thinking <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Viktory</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admit that I probably said things identical to the quotes above.  As a hard-mode raider and previous arena competitor, I don&#039;t consider using WoW as a 3D chat room to be &quot;gaming&quot;.  I think that we should not disassociate the root word from the connotation of it; to be a gamer, you have to attempt to win the game.  

We all have our degrees of commitment/achievement within the culture, but if we&#039;re talking a binary identifier, it should be nearly impossible to argue someone&#039;s not a &quot;gamer&quot; if they are actively gaming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that I probably said things identical to the quotes above.  As a hard-mode raider and previous arena competitor, I don&#8217;t consider using WoW as a 3D chat room to be &#8220;gaming&#8221;.  I think that we should not disassociate the root word from the connotation of it; to be a gamer, you have to attempt to win the game.  </p>
<p>We all have our degrees of commitment/achievement within the culture, but if we&#8217;re talking a binary identifier, it should be nearly impossible to argue someone&#8217;s not a &#8220;gamer&#8221; if they are actively gaming.</p>
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		<title>By: theerivs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theerivs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you weren&#039;t in a 24 hour Alterac Valley slug fest, from back in the day...your not a gamer to me. ;p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you weren&#8217;t in a 24 hour Alterac Valley slug fest, from back in the day&#8230;your not a gamer to me. ;p</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hehehe I wish I could edit that title into names ^_^ Or give them ranks the way forums do. 

Thank you for dropping by! I appreciate all comments, long and short, and it is always a pleasure to hear from you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe I wish I could edit that title into names ^_^ Or give them ranks the way forums do. </p>
<p>Thank you for dropping by! I appreciate all comments, long and short, and it is always a pleasure to hear from you!</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard accusations of &quot;so-and-so doesn&#039;t even play the game&quot;. When argued that so-and-so &lt;em&gt;does &lt;/em&gt;play the game, the counter argument is &quot;they don&#039;t raid&quot;, as if that&#039;s all that mattered in the game! And sometimes it&#039;s even, &quot;they raid, but not heroics&quot;. Once, even 10s raiding was sometimes looked down on as &quot;not really raiding&quot;. 

It actually put a lot in perspective when I started playing SWTOR VERY casually. Anyone who sees my SWTOR characters would think &quot;some n00b&quot; and probably wouldn&#039;t believe me if I told them I spent 3 years of my life writing about WoW. 

I wonder if those who play the occasional round of Call of Duty or Battlefield don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;want &lt;/em&gt;to identify as gamer, and that, because of WoW&#039;s reputation, they don&#039;t really &quot;get&quot; that many people play WoW the same way they play their FPS games. Though, WoW, since it&#039;s a fantasy game and a large one at that, does require a stronger disconnect from reality than a war shooter does, which can scare those who don&#039;t like getting lost in their imagination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard accusations of &#8220;so-and-so doesn&#8217;t even play the game&#8221;. When argued that so-and-so <em>does </em>play the game, the counter argument is &#8220;they don&#8217;t raid&#8221;, as if that&#8217;s all that mattered in the game! And sometimes it&#8217;s even, &#8220;they raid, but not heroics&#8221;. Once, even 10s raiding was sometimes looked down on as &#8220;not really raiding&#8221;. </p>
<p>It actually put a lot in perspective when I started playing SWTOR VERY casually. Anyone who sees my SWTOR characters would think &#8220;some n00b&#8221; and probably wouldn&#8217;t believe me if I told them I spent 3 years of my life writing about WoW. </p>
<p>I wonder if those who play the occasional round of Call of Duty or Battlefield don&#8217;t <em>want </em>to identify as gamer, and that, because of WoW&#8217;s reputation, they don&#8217;t really &#8220;get&#8221; that many people play WoW the same way they play their FPS games. Though, WoW, since it&#8217;s a fantasy game and a large one at that, does require a stronger disconnect from reality than a war shooter does, which can scare those who don&#8217;t like getting lost in their imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am realizing that I left the most important element out of my post: the concept of self-identity. 

I don&#039;t play a lot of gamers either. Mostly because when I do play a game, I&#039;m extremely thorough, plus I don&#039;t get that much free time. But I still consider myself A Gamer, because when I&#039;m not playing, I&#039;m usually thinking about games, talking about games or reading about games. Others may say I&#039;m not &quot;true&quot;, but &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; think I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am realizing that I left the most important element out of my post: the concept of self-identity. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t play a lot of gamers either. Mostly because when I do play a game, I&#8217;m extremely thorough, plus I don&#8217;t get that much free time. But I still consider myself A Gamer, because when I&#8217;m not playing, I&#8217;m usually thinking about games, talking about games or reading about games. Others may say I&#8217;m not &#8220;true&#8221;, but <em>I</em> think I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually think of it as the other way around - we get competitive because there &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; enough structured competition. 

I love what you say about self defense. That makes a lot of sense. I&#039;m feeling that I&#039;m going to have to write a follow up post on identity since I completely omitted that. I think being on the receive end of so much mocking, harassment and, in some cases, bullying has given us an attitude of &quot;I had to walk 5 miles with no shoes in the snow to be a geek...and you, you just walk right in with your fancy designer runners and think you can take that title?&quot;

Though the interesting thing is that the same kind of identity defensiveness happens within groups of people who &lt;em&gt;haven&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; suffered for their title. Hmm. I&#039;m going to have to ponder this, hehe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think of it as the other way around &#8211; we get competitive because there <em>isn&#8217;t</em> enough structured competition. </p>
<p>I love what you say about self defense. That makes a lot of sense. I&#8217;m feeling that I&#8217;m going to have to write a follow up post on identity since I completely omitted that. I think being on the receive end of so much mocking, harassment and, in some cases, bullying has given us an attitude of &#8220;I had to walk 5 miles with no shoes in the snow to be a geek&#8230;and you, you just walk right in with your fancy designer runners and think you can take that title?&#8221;</p>
<p>Though the interesting thing is that the same kind of identity defensiveness happens within groups of people who <em>haven&#8217;t</em> suffered for their title. Hmm. I&#8217;m going to have to ponder this, hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*squeal* ISLAND OF DR BRAIN!

Actually, I mostly played Castle of Dr Brain. Played Island a little bit at a friends&#039; house but her computer kept crashing and I couldn&#039;t figure out how to get the game on a disquette without causing the machine to steam. 

... I think I kind of got sidetracked there. 

Your mom is awesome ^_^ I was very impressed when I met her about how easily she could carry on a conversation on gaming. So different from my family! 

Her attitude about Farmville is pretty interesting: Farmville is often shrugged off as &quot;not a real game&quot;, but it sounds like she approached with the &lt;em&gt;attitude &lt;/em&gt;of a gamer. I wonder if what makes us Gamers has to do with how we play games, in addition to, you know, actually playing games.

I totally get what you&#039;re saying about the love of camaraderie, challenge and playfulness. I think that in order to enjoy games, you have to be able to get into a certain mindstate, where you let go of reality and become submerged in the fictional story/conflict/puzzle in front of you. Most people can do it to a certain extent (movies and tv shows would flop otherwise), but I think that gaming (and possibly the science fiction/fantasy genre) requires a lot more of that disconnecting ability than your average movie does. Perhaps the regular exercise of disconnection creates a certain something in a person that makes it easy to bond with others who also disconnect a lot. 

I&#039;m getting into something I can&#039;t word anymore, so I&#039;m going to stop now and hope I wasn&#039;t too confusing ^_^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*squeal* ISLAND OF DR BRAIN!</p>
<p>Actually, I mostly played Castle of Dr Brain. Played Island a little bit at a friends&#8217; house but her computer kept crashing and I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to get the game on a disquette without causing the machine to steam. </p>
<p>&#8230; I think I kind of got sidetracked there. </p>
<p>Your mom is awesome ^_^ I was very impressed when I met her about how easily she could carry on a conversation on gaming. So different from my family! </p>
<p>Her attitude about Farmville is pretty interesting: Farmville is often shrugged off as &#8220;not a real game&#8221;, but it sounds like she approached with the <em>attitude </em>of a gamer. I wonder if what makes us Gamers has to do with how we play games, in addition to, you know, actually playing games.</p>
<p>I totally get what you&#8217;re saying about the love of camaraderie, challenge and playfulness. I think that in order to enjoy games, you have to be able to get into a certain mindstate, where you let go of reality and become submerged in the fictional story/conflict/puzzle in front of you. Most people can do it to a certain extent (movies and tv shows would flop otherwise), but I think that gaming (and possibly the science fiction/fantasy genre) requires a lot more of that disconnecting ability than your average movie does. Perhaps the regular exercise of disconnection creates a certain something in a person that makes it easy to bond with others who also disconnect a lot. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting into something I can&#8217;t word anymore, so I&#8217;m going to stop now and hope I wasn&#8217;t too confusing ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ophelie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, you just reminded me that, in that nearly 2k word post, I utterly forgot to write about the notion of &quot;identity&quot;. Oops!

I love what you say about &quot;ah, these are my people?&quot;. I hadn&#039;t stopped to think about that, but on a personal level, that&#039;s when I started identifying as 
A Gamer: when I met other gamers and discovered I wasn&#039;t the asocial loner I thought I was. It still blows my mind how quiet little me spends Blizzcon running from group to group, talking to everyone and not getting to bed until 6 am. 

And there are a lot of sub-groups within us gamers. If I met up with a group of Halo or of hardcore pvp-type game players, my eyes would probably glaze over right away and they&#039;d be all &quot;GTFO n00b&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, you just reminded me that, in that nearly 2k word post, I utterly forgot to write about the notion of &#8220;identity&#8221;. Oops!</p>
<p>I love what you say about &#8220;ah, these are my people?&#8221;. I hadn&#8217;t stopped to think about that, but on a personal level, that&#8217;s when I started identifying as<br />
A Gamer: when I met other gamers and discovered I wasn&#8217;t the asocial loner I thought I was. It still blows my mind how quiet little me spends Blizzcon running from group to group, talking to everyone and not getting to bed until 6 am. </p>
<p>And there are a lot of sub-groups within us gamers. If I met up with a group of Halo or of hardcore pvp-type game players, my eyes would probably glaze over right away and they&#8217;d be all &#8220;GTFO n00b&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fimlys</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;m not going to leave a comment as long nor as good as the previous commenters. In fact, I feel a little intimidated. I will from now on denote them with the title &quot;Commenter&quot; since they are so amazingly awesome at commenting.. 

Ok ok.. I&#039;m done.. :) Anyway .. I really enjoyed your post. Very good delve into a topic that has been hotly contested in many a forum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m not going to leave a comment as long nor as good as the previous commenters. In fact, I feel a little intimidated. I will from now on denote them with the title &#8220;Commenter&#8221; since they are so amazingly awesome at commenting.. </p>
<p>Ok ok.. I&#8217;m done.. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Anyway .. I really enjoyed your post. Very good delve into a topic that has been hotly contested in many a forum.</p>
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